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You’re right on, Vince. Even if Bush doesn’t end up going through with this, just the mere suggestion of doing something like this is chilling. Unbelievable.

I don’t find it too chilling, or too unbelievable, but I do think that it may backfire on him. I think many New Yorkers look at Bush in a more bitter light, after he invaded Iraq, and many of the leaders of that community and of the victims groups undoubtedly want answers from Bush as to what his administration might have done to make those two smoking piles of rubble more likely.

So him doing that may enrage more people than it inspires. If so, he has only himself to blame. He used the charge of popularity he got to get us into another war on top of Afghanistan, and then has refused to answer for his mistakes and his misleading of the American people.

A Bush stump at ground zero will be a major mistake, his credibility on 9/11 has been lost.

Bush and his administration has been less than cooporative and open with the 9/11 commission.

Instead of committing American’s entire capability to hunt down al-Qaeda and bin Laden, and rid the world of their threat with diligence, Bush pulled valuable intelligence resources, money and troops out of the War on Terror and chose to waste them and American blood instead in an Iraqi quagmire.

Bush’s thirst for Saddam’s blood has alienated our allies and other countries willing to join the fight against terror. Now America finds itself with only a handfull of cooporative nations.

The Bush administration dropped the ball in the War on Terrorism, instead of defeating one enemy, we now have two.

Just a simple descriptive matter- how can anyone say that Bush has dropped the ball on the war on terror post sept. 11th? After that event happened I was SURE we were going to have a bunch more terrorist attacks on our nation (they had us very worried, it would have been the best time to do it)- yet its been like 2 and a half years and we have not had no attack on our homeland (with the exception of a couple of letters with anthrax, which, honestly, was very minor). Critize Bush on the war in Iraq all you want, but I think the proof is in the pudding on how he has done in the war on terror post-911.

Misha, Osama is not looking myopically at the situation. He is not dumb nor does he have a one track mind. It is quite possible that there will be another attack coming but it is also possible that he feels 9-11 did enough. Anti-American feelings are on the rise and for a good reason. Liberties in America are being slowly stripped away and the economy is only getting worse. Last time I checked the Euro was worth $1.24 and the Australian dollar is climbing up past $.80. What more does he need to do?

The very thought that GWB would even think of giving ANY speech at ground zero, much less a victory speech is beneath contempt; but who said the “Prince of Darkness” had any respect for the dead. The casualties of HIS Iraq FARCE should serve as a wake up call to the type of “inhuman” ghoul GWB is and will continue to be.

Adam- you can speculate at what Osama is or is not planning from his cave,but I think he key “plan” right now is to keep from getting caught and then hung, which is likely going ot happen soon. Also, there is no way our economy is going down hill. The economy grew 4.1% last quarter and it grew 8.2% (the highest rate in 20 years) the quarter before that. Of course we still have some problems with lags in employment, but every economists that I know of thinks our economy is getting better.

Please forgive me for saying so, Misha, but, you may want to increase the number of economists in your circle of friends. You report correctly that last quarter was +4.2% but fail to mention that that is significantly less than economists had predicted for the quarter based on the previous quarter. Translated that means the 8.2% was a fluke not a trend and was not sustained as expected in the last quarter. Thus the first quarter is now being expected to come in considerably under that 4.2%. See a trend here? I assure you economists do.

So does Greenspan. The revenues Bush was counting on to help support the deficit spending is not going to be there in near the amounts the Administration estimated. Bush said there would be around 2.65 million jobs created this year. He very quickly backed off that number and now refuses to give any numerical estimates as is being reported in WSJ and other business publications. All that is improving in this economy is the depth of wealth amongst the wealthy and capital investment in machines and technologies designed to replace human workers. Hence productivity gains, revenue increases from a lowered dollar increasing export sales, while consumer confidence goes downhill and the jobless recovery remains jobless.

If Bush doesn’t want to take the heat for poor economic performance, he sure as hell should not be crowing when the economy is improving. The rest of us out here with or without macroecon 101 realize Bush can’t have it both ways.

david, i can promise you that I never blamed bush for when the economy was going poorly, and I am not going to credit him now that it is going well.

The Irony is, that Bush, if he had stuck with it, could have cleansed the Earth of Osama Bin Laden. If he had spent as much time and effort going after him as he did going after Saddam, we would have won a substantial victory in the war on terror, and we would be showing Osama getting his hair picked for lice for all to see.

Instead, the man who led the devastating attack on American soil goes free, while the the brutal but already contained dictator is now in our custody. And took too long, too!

Frankly, my first response when signs indicated that Dubya was going to finish his daddy’s work, was Why now? I wasn’t going to consider Afghanistan over until we got Osama and his little friend Mullah Omar.

Oh, but for Bush, winning the war is enough. He doesn’t subscribe to that for want of a nail theory of history. Well, whether he believed in it or not, it’s proven true.

We failed to put enough troops on the ground to prevent chaos and lawlessness. Now, I know most people quote figures about the war that indicate that half the people who died in the war died after the mission accomplished declaration, but that doesn’t quite put it in perspective.

The fact is, we lost about 150 soldiers in the invasion. the other four hundred were lost in the post invasion chaos. If things continues this way, the “peace” will have killed three times more soldiers than the invasion.

In Afghanistan, now, the Taliban and Al Quaeda are regrouping, in a country we supposedly control. Might that have something to do with the leadership we left free and alive?

It seems that everywhere Bush has put down an army, he has failed to use that army to effectively take control of the territory, to effectively deal with our enemies.

Bush has failed our country. He has spent American blood, and ensured it will continue to be spent.

But the system worked.

I would rather have a president who cheats on his wife and continues to run the country in an effective manner then a supposedly moral president who sends this country into a downward spiral.

NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED.

BUSH LIED, MANY PEOPLE DIED.

Here is my suggestion for what we should do. Everyone who is in New York at the time of the President’s speech and who is offended by this dispicable act of exploitation should put on t-shirts and carry signs and, while the president is speaking chant the following:

OUR PAIN IS NOT YOUR PHOTO OP.

If we could manage to spread this all over town it would top the news, steal the initiative and highlight what sleazeball Bush really is.

In other words, if enough of us got together, we could turn this thing around so it blows up in his own face.

Or, to be more precise,
BUSH LIED, ABOUT 10,000 INNOCENT
IRAQI CIVILIANS DIED

See http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

It would have been more fun to watch Bush make this blunder. He could stutter and stammer afterwards like he did on Meet the Press.

I sometimes cant believe how sheepish Americans have become. Eating and believing the lies and crap that comes out of the White House, like it’s the gospel.

Especially since the White House has its buttons pushed by white, conservative Bible Thumping males!

When did the voting population of Americans stop thinking for themselves. And when are “We The People” ever going to get what we want out of the leaders we elect?

I often wonder what would happen if NOONE voted on election day. Maybe a lack of popular vote would make those politicians take notice?

Better yet, let’s make signs saying “Don’t be Mean to the Killers of Husbands and Wives. Give Love a Chance” or “Sadamn killed a million Muslims. Vot Democrat and he would still be in power.”