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August 27, 2003

"You will be punished if you come after us."

Why should we be afraid of being punished for voicing our opinions? Why do certain entities feel compelled to attack others and try to sue them into submission? Is this what America is coming to? Reading the First Amendment of the Constitution, it states clearly that “Congress shall make no law […] abridging the freedom of speech” but we are starting to find that lawyers have no morals when it comes to using the power of litigation to shut an someone up. With enough money and political clout, anyone can be silenced — Al Franken just got lucky because Bill O’Reilly and Fox were acting like petulant 4-year olds. If they had been thinking more clearly then they could have successfully silenced him; which would have been an unfortunate circumstance for all Americans. Like I’ve pointed out before, the silencing of individuals is one step closer towards a totalitarian state.

Posted by huxley75 at August 27, 2003 03:43 PM
Comments
Comment #2139

You mean like when pressure groups such as GLAAD sue DR Laura and Mike savage?

Posted by: Pete at August 27, 2003 03:53 PM
Comment #2143

Fox lost the law suit promptly and justice was done. It was “Fair and Balanced”. There is a strong pro corporate bias in the main media and a incredible strong bias in the right wing media..like Fox.

Just wait until Dean gets the nomination and Fox will start to attack him non-stop.

I think the places where GLADD was extremely effective is that they went straight to the advertisers and got to the producers of the show by going to their wallets.

I am reading Al Franken’s book right now and loving it.

Posted by: Jake of 8bitjoystick.com at August 27, 2003 04:59 PM
Comment #2145

I’m agreeing with you (to a point) Pete - I don’t think that the use of litigation to just to shut someone up is morally right. This is a double-edged sword: someone may not say something you like and so you must be willing to accept their criticism, but some statements are not based on fact and are merely personal attacks or smear-tactics. Certain persons make grossly off-base, bigotted remarks which can be construed as libel or slander and the effected party should have the right to sue, but Al Franken chose satire and, although he used the term “fair and balanced” in his title, that is not the same as calling all homosexuals “deviants” or “biological errors” as is the case with Dr. Laura.

Posted by: huxley75 at August 27, 2003 05:04 PM
Comment #2149

Are we talking about content here? Al Franken is EVERY BIT as vitriolic as Ann Coulter. “Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them”. If that is not as bad….then tell me why. Everybody has a right to thier own opinion right? Let’s not be partisan here. Can’t you guys at least concede that much?

Posted by: Pete at August 27, 2003 05:36 PM
Comment #2151
Al Franken is EVERY BIT as vitriolic as Ann Coulter. “Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them”. If that is not as bad….then tell me why. Everybody has a right to thier own opinion right? Let’s not be partisan here. Can’t you guys at least concede that much?

Yep, he does have vitriol in spades. An objective reporter he is not.

However, the difference between him and Ann Coulter is that he is careful to employ a team of fact-checkers to back up his statements. Ann Coulter makes frequent mistakes and does sloppy research. She misquotes newspaper articles — which is dumb, given that it’s easy to go back to the source and check.

My favorite is when she claimed that in the wake of the Iran-Contra scandal, Reagan’s approval ratings dropped only 5%, from 80% to 75%, and she cited a specific poll in the Christian Science Monitor. Well, the article actually said his ratings dropped from 63% to 47%. Those numbers are, you’ll notice, quite a bit lower.

I agree that everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but it is one thing to say “I disagree with the liberal platform and in my opinion, a liberal administration would be harmful to the country.” It is quite another thing to make things up to bolster your side.

Can you cite specific examples of facts that Mr. Franken got wrong?

Posted by: webmacher at August 27, 2003 06:03 PM
Comment #2157

No I said he was vitriolic not incorrect in his facts, that remains to be seen. I know Michael Moore has some glaring doozies though and liberals love his bowling for columbine fiasco which actually has staged events that are actually fraudulent. Anyway I have beat this horse enough. See ya later.

Posted by: Pete at August 27, 2003 07:05 PM
Comment #2171

I agree that the Fox lawsuit was preposterous. In addition, it provided lots of free publicity for Franken. I almost wonder if Fox filed it knowing it was frivolous but hoping it would give them free publicity as well. Just a theory.

As you recognize the importance of preserving first-amendment rights, join me in condeming the pernicious effects of speech codes which restrict speech that might offend certain groups.

Consider the case of Steven Hinkle, a Cal-Poly student who was officially disciplined by his university for daring to post a flier advertising an upcoming speaker in the universities Multi-cultural Center becuase it was apparently offensive to some students

http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=calpoly_transcript_pr.html

The FIRE and Center for Individual Rights Websites are filled with similar cases.

I am all for free speech for everyone.

AndyMac

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Posted by: AndyMac at August 28, 2003 10:38 AM
Comment #2195

Like I said before there is no difference between the pressure groups of the left like GLAAD and International answer and the ACLU(in some cases) The NRA etc. So what is the problem again? It is not the Government that is resposible for “silencing” people. Then we would have a problem. So why don’t you liberals embrace tort reform then.

Posted by: pete at August 28, 2003 08:51 PM