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It could also be that Gore wants to tentatively endorse a candidate…

I won’t speculate on Gore’s intention. I could get behind a Gore/Dean ticket. He would be a far less divisive entry that Hillary.

I do not think Gore is that bad. After all, he did win the popular vote in 2000 and hasn’t self-destructed since then.

Interesting, a Gore/Dean ticket…Hummm.

I think that in a lot of people’s minds, he self-destructed during the recount in Florida simply by the way both sides handled it. To the average voter (which has solidified over time), Gore was a crybaby sore loser. Sorry to say it, but that’s the general perception.

I think his best option would be to bring those issues out into the open first and make sure there is a consensus that he has 1) matured 2) wants to help the American people, not the Democratic party (I think he would fare better as an Independent) and 3) stops acting so stiff.

“To the average voter (which has solidified over time), Gore was a crybaby sore loser. Sorry to say it, but that’s the general perception.”

That is an interesting assumption. I offer you a correction, though: it is *your perception* that this is so. In many camps, Gore is a hero. An impromptu appearance last year at a large festival drew raving cheers of support for him.

We often toss around personal ideas as fact. Until you back up the “general perception” it cannot be taken as fact.

Robbie

There is no way that Gore will run in 2004. But his endorsement is important. His endorsement could cement Dean as the nomination if the gets it.

Gore/Dean? I hope not. Like Stephen said Gore has the perception of being a sore loser (which he wasn’t) and an intellectual (god forbid we put one of those in the White House!) and the conservative press/talk show/opinion machine will eat him alive.

How about Dean/Clark?

Drew,

Since it’s probably too late from a fundraising perspective for Clark to throw his hat in the ring as a presidential candidate, I would readily support a ticket with him in the vice presidential slot. His credentials on the national security issue are impeccable. His ability to work with other nations was showcased by the way he ran the NATO operation in Bosnia.

Provided that the efforts to paint Dean as a liberal fail (from what I can tell of his stands on a variety of issues, he’s a moderate), a Dean/Clark ticket has a reasonable chance to beat Bush in 2004.

I hope Gore goes for it. He’s got our vote.

He seems intelligent. That alone is enough for me.

Democrats better hope that Gore gets in. He’s the only candidate with a chance of beating Bush. I said this before Gore announced his intention not to run, too.

Bush vs Gore changes the election to a referendum on the Bush presidency, rather than one focused on 9/11. At every point, Americans will be comparing the two candidates with this phrase: “how would things had been different if Al Gore was president?” Nine times out of ten, the answer would be “better” without Bush. Gore goes toe-to-toe and then some with Bush on every big issue. Gore energizes the base that feels robbed from 2000. Gore makes the South competitive while locking up the western states like California. Gore can raise major $$$$.

But the biggest reason why Gore is a good candidate:

He is instantly the party leader. Democrats, liberal and centrist, will unite around Gore. Instead of playing electoral darts, the Dems could run on a national ticket. And that is a movement on a far grander scale.

As a life-long Republican, I welcome the thought of Gore running in 2004. And I’ll bet he doesn’t win the popular vote this time.

Gore isn’t running. That train left the station a long time ago. He will make a principled speech that could set up him up to be Secretary of State in a Dean Administration.

If Gore ran, he would lose a lot for having said he wasn’t running. I strongly doubt that he would have said he wasn’t, unless he really wasn’t. What would he have gained by it?

I’ll cast my guess broadly, that it’s an effort to influence the presidential campaign, perhaps putting out some issues he thinks the nominee should campaign on.

Thud.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/949473.asp?0cv=CB10

I’ve grown up a bit in the last couple years (just a little!) and I’m starting to look seriously at a candidate’s:
1.) support of our rights and freedoms (including religious freedom)
2.) a)campaign financers and
b)”pork suppliers” (read Franklin “Chuck” Spinney on defense spending, for one)
3.) positions on issues: economy; promoting peace, justice and human rights; environment and public health (to name a few)
4.) proven job skills (including the ability to unite people rather than divide them)and
5.) hairdos (Oh, never mind that one; actually our press monopoly is doing a great job focusing in on this already)

I realize that some of these overlap. My main question is: How can I find out about where a candidate falls on these points? For example, why haven’t I heard anyone, except Kucinich, discuss issues like NAFTA? And what about Cheney’s 60+ secret meetings with energy companies pre- 9-11? How come no one’s got the b^##s to talk about it?

Just a note on Bush and Liberia: Good move, GW. Liberia asked (begged, actually) for our help and GWB did the right thing. But too bad Iraqis didn’t invite us in like that. Well, maybe the terrorists will come to Iraq and stay away from the U.S. Is that the best we can hope for? It sure keeps our defense budget rolling and who cares about jobless, starving American citizens, right?

Take care.

Sounds like a bit of a rebuke to Lieberman’s “we must praise Bush” approach.

Say, does anyone out there (maybe you, Dan?) know how I might get a copy of today’s speech (Al Gore’s)? I’m on basic cable and don’t get CNN, etc. Thanks.

http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html

there’s several movements sprouting about to Draft All Gore for the Dem candidacy and they’re incredibly organized…..

Draft Gore: http://www.draftgore.com/

Newspaper Article: “Draft Gore’ efforts step up across New Hampshire”

PORTSMOUTH - The field of potential Democratic nominees could increase by one shortly.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/0808200…/news/43747.htm
The Draft Gore 2004 Committee officially launched its activities in New Hampshire Thursday, by mailing letters to 147 town party chairmen across the state and announcing a write-in campaign for the former vice president.”

the following url’s are as well Draft Gore sites…..

AL Gore 04: http://www.algore04.com/news/
Elect Al Gore 04: http://www.electgore04.com/
Al Gore Support Center: http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/
Gore 2004: http://www.gore2004us.com/

and then there’s the petition……

Al Gore 2004 petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/Gore04/petition.html

as well continued speculation on whether he’ll run….

“Despite his blanket denials, Al Gore may yet challenge George Bush. The former concluded his speech by encapsulating the Clinton-Gore administration’s successes — exactly, come to think of it, what so many urged him to do back in 2000. Once again, you don’t need to be a history junkie to read between those lines.”

from; 8-11-03: News at Home
Column: Why We Should Pay Attention to Al Gore
By P.M. Carpenter http://hnn.us/articles/1627.html

I think Dean can beat bush in 2004.He’s not afriad to stand up to bush.I also do believe that he’s a centrist.I think a dean/Clark ticket is a sure win.Bush has nothing to tell Americans.He can only continue to hide behind September 11.